Tuesday, August 17, 2010

How did the latin name Lucifer find it's way into a Hebrew manuscript?

written before there was a Roman language.

How did the latin name Lucifer find it's way into a Hebrew manuscript?
It isnn't in the Hebrew manuscript- in fact, where the name Lucifer appears in the KJV, the Hebrew doesn't have a proper name there at all!
Reply:It didn't, it the Latin for morning star. In the original Hebrew it is Helel the son of the Canaanite god of dawn. In Canaanite mythology Helel invaded a council meeting of the senior gods on the sacred mountain and demanded to be allowed onto the council, the supreme god of Canaan, El, (sounds familiar doesn't it), cast Helel into the underworld because of his pride. Isaiah used this as an analogy for the king of Babylon's pride. Which is what the verses are all about, nothing to do with Satan.
Reply:The Latin translation (followed by the KJV) of the Hebrew word for "day star" in Isaiah 14:12, where the word is used as a title for the king of Babylon, who exalted himself as a god. The prophet taunted the king by calling him "son of the dawn"(NIV), a play on a Hebrew term which could refer to a pagan god but normally indicated the light that appeared briefly before dawn.
Reply:it was written in HEBREW....





הילל


Transliteration


heylel


Pronunciation





hā·lāl' (Key)





Part of Speech


masculine noun





Root Word (Etymology)





from H1984 (in the sense of brightness)





TWOT Reference


499a








Outline of Biblical Usage Lucifer = "light-bearer"





1) shining one, morning star, Lucifer





a) of the king of Babylon and Satan (fig.)





2) (TWOT) 'Helel' describing the king of Babylon








Authorized Version (KJV) Translation Count — Total: 1 AV — Lucifer 1 Gesenius's Lexicon (Help)
Reply:1) Lucifer isn't in the Hebrew manuscripts, of course - it is a literal translation of the original Hebrew word.





2) There is no evidence that the Hebrew language pre-dated Latin, and the city of Rome had already been founded by the time Isaiah and Ezekiel were written.
Reply:Purposeful Mistranslation. There are many things King James mistranslated for his own personal political goals. That is why most academically minded christians consider the KJV to be so severely flawed as to be unusable in teaching.
Reply:It didn't. The Hebrew words are "morning star". "Lucifer" is a (mis)translation.


No comments:

Post a Comment